Comments on: Ivan’s Journey: Into the Wild http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/ Sacred Poetry from Around the World Thu, 23 May 2013 14:55:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Lois Holub http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-9971 Lois Holub Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:59:22 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-9971 Thank you Ivan for writing about this part of your life here; so many of us experienced the letting go of our childhood/family/home identity in order to test and search and discover at least a glimpse of who we are without those boundaries seemingly imposed by "others." It is such a journey. Growing into our lives, as well as inner and outer circumstance, changes the scenery but the journey continues as we learn there is no "other." The passion to take such risks with our lives -- as you, as Chris, as Leila, as many of us did (or still do, or have our own children who do - perhaps in the same ways, or different ways) really brings home the meaning of "precarious" -- full of prayers! With wounds of grace and healing compassion we get to share some of our discoveries and mysteries and jokes and songs. Thanks for this generous gift of Chaikhana where we are free to do so. And Leila, thank you for sharing your stories here too! You have not wasted your life, far from it. No matter your circumstances, there are no limits to the love you can receive and pass along from your own heart. As for being thought mad, remember Krishnamurti's observation: It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a sick society. ;) Much love and thanks. Thank you Ivan for writing about this part of your life here; so many of us experienced the letting go of our childhood/family/home identity in order to test and search and discover at least a glimpse of who we are without those boundaries seemingly imposed by “others.” It is such a journey. Growing into our lives, as well as inner and outer circumstance, changes the scenery but the journey continues as we learn there is no “other.” The passion to take such risks with our lives — as you, as Chris, as Leila, as many of us did (or still do, or have our own children who do – perhaps in the same ways, or different ways) really brings home the meaning of “precarious” — full of prayers! With wounds of grace and healing compassion we get to share some of our discoveries and mysteries and jokes and songs. Thanks for this generous gift of Chaikhana where we are free to do so. And Leila, thank you for sharing your stories here too! You have not wasted your life, far from it. No matter your circumstances, there are no limits to the love you can receive and pass along from your own heart. As for being thought mad, remember Krishnamurti’s observation: It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a sick society. ;) Much love and thanks.

]]> By: leila http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-9943 leila Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:37:59 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-9943 so strange...:) it is great to know some other people have same feeling about this movie and more beacuse they also lived atleast for a while like Christopher McCandless!! around me not much people have much sympathy about this movie,but it is one of 2 movie i have on my pc!! I told one friends that i like this movie and its charactor coz remind me myself, even in family life ,i was kind of rebellion,for me started from my 17-18.....ofcourse more in my mind!....very difficult for girl here to just put everythings behind and go,but i did in my mind and what i could do that i spend most of my time in mountain & traveling, the only way i could go away atleast for a while from home,family,city,all bounds on my hands and feet,also by reading & reading & writing,atlast in 2003 for around 10 months,after i finished my uni,i could go to India ,my dream was to vanish & never come back & for the first time facing myself totaly alone,that was amazing experience but in a way i hurt alot too and they got me back ...long story....but when i was in uni i also was so odd i couldn't even talk with girls in same age with me!!people tought iam mad or somthing is wrong with me....:)) some months back one of my mother's friend told me "oh,you wasted your life already!" :)) About "Christopher McCandless", i think when a person is so brave like him to put all behind ,in phisycal or mental way,(sometimes both i guess work better! )so maybe if he knew about meditation,he could reach to enlightenment & become a buddha,..but who knows what he realy experiensed,and what is exaclty enlightment too! i'm sure if he was alive he was a great poet and healer....and i feel like he lived fully ,nothing wasted,and he sang his song most beautifuly and freely... **** Sometimes i feel as much as we get older we shaped more,became solid,that is a pity, and sometimes we face this truth that we have some limitations which we can not go away from them,no scape from them! seems like running in a circle,so pointless! seems we can not fight all our life! and the best way is to find a balance .....(seems i gave up??! i don't know!) And the only time,at least for me,when still can feel free & floating is when i am moved by a poem or kind of art form,above thoughts ,above myself.... pc.so sorry for my english!:) & for talking too much and gave u headache!:) so strange…:) it is great to know some other people have same feeling about this movie and more beacuse they also lived atleast for a while like Christopher McCandless!! around me not much people have much sympathy about this movie,but it is one of 2 movie i have on my pc!!
I told one friends that i like this movie and its charactor coz remind me myself, even in family life ,i was kind of rebellion,for me started from my 17-18…..ofcourse more in my mind!….very difficult for girl here to just put everythings behind and go,but i did in my mind and what i could do that i spend most of my time in mountain & traveling, the only way i could go away atleast for a while from home,family,city,all bounds on my hands and feet,also by reading & reading & writing,atlast in 2003 for around 10 months,after i finished my uni,i could go to India ,my dream was to vanish & never come back & for the first time facing myself totaly alone,that was amazing experience but in a way i hurt alot too and they got me back …long story….but when i was in uni i also was so odd i couldn’t even talk with girls in same age with me!!people tought iam mad or somthing is wrong with me….:)) some months back one of my mother’s friend told me “oh,you wasted your life already!” :) )

About “Christopher McCandless”, i think when a person is so brave like him to put all behind ,in phisycal or mental way,(sometimes both i guess work better! )so maybe if he knew about meditation,he could reach to enlightenment & become a buddha,..but who knows what he realy experiensed,and what is exaclty enlightment too! i’m sure if he was alive he was a great poet and healer….and i feel like he lived fully ,nothing wasted,and he sang his song most beautifuly and freely…
****
Sometimes i feel as much as we get older we shaped more,became solid,that is a pity, and sometimes we face this truth that we have some limitations which we can not go away from them,no scape from them! seems like running in a circle,so pointless! seems we can not fight all our life! and the best way is to find a balance …..(seems i gave up??! i don’t know!)
And the only time,at least for me,when still can feel free & floating is when i am moved by a poem or kind of art form,above thoughts ,above myself….

pc.so sorry for my english!:) & for talking too much and gave u headache!:)

]]> By: Barbara Smith Stoff http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-7497 Barbara Smith Stoff Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:48:27 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-7497 Bliss, Thank you for the list of movies!!!! Us old folks here have a subscription to netflix...it's wonderful...I will add these to our list. Bliss,
Thank you for the list of movies!!!! Us old folks here have a subscription to netflix…it’s wonderful…I will add these to our list.

]]> By: Barbara Smith Stoff http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-7481 Barbara Smith Stoff Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:49:56 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-7481 Thank you for sharing your story, Ivan. Thank you very much indeed. I am reminded of a poem...which I may have posted here before--in that I have kept this close to hand for some forty years now...it's by William Stafford..."An Introduction to Literature" he titled it in a poetry journal, circa 1967. AN INTRODUCTION TO LITERATURE Look: no one ever promised for sure that we would sing. We have decided to moan. In a strange dance that we don’t understand till we do it, we have to carry on. Just as in sleep you have to dream the exact dream to round out your life, so we have to live that dream into stories and hold them close at you, close at the edge we share, to be right. We find it an awful thing to meet people, serious or not, who have turned into vacant effective people, so far lost that they won’t believe their own feelings enough to follow them out. The authentic is a line from one thing along to the next’ it interests us. strangely, it relates to what works, but it is not quite the same. It never swerves for revenge, Or profit or fame: it holds together something more than the world, this line. And we are your wavery efforts at following it. Are you coming: Good: now it is time. --William Stafford [...so we have to live that dream into stories and hold them close at you, close at the edge we share, to be right...] Thank you for sharing your story, Ivan. Thank you very much indeed. I am reminded of a poem…which I may have posted here before–in that I have kept this close to hand for some forty years now…it’s by William Stafford…”An Introduction to Literature” he titled it in a poetry journal, circa 1967.

AN INTRODUCTION TO LITERATURE

Look: no one ever promised for sure
that we would sing. We have decided
to moan. In a strange dance that
we don’t understand till we do it, we
have to carry on.

Just as in sleep you have to dream
the exact dream to round out your life,
so we have to live that dream into stories
and hold them close at you, close at the
edge we share, to be right.

We find it an awful thing to meet people,
serious or not, who have turned into vacant
effective people, so far lost that they
won’t believe their own feelings
enough to follow them out.

The authentic is a line from one thing
along to the next’ it interests us.
strangely, it relates to what works,
but it is not quite the same. It never
swerves for revenge,

Or profit or fame: it holds
together something more than the world,
this line. And we are your wavery
efforts at following it. Are you coming:
Good: now it is time.

–William Stafford

[...so we have to live that dream into stories and hold them close at you, close at the edge we share, to be right...]

]]> By: Ivan M. Granger http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-7477 Ivan M. Granger Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:07:44 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-7477 Hi Dabriel, I'm not sure my life is the best subject for a school report, but I am happy to answer any questions you have. You can find out a few things about me on my Poetry Chaikhana page <http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/G/GrangerIvanM/>. If you want to know more, feel free to email me with your questions at ivan@poetry-chaikhana.com Ivan Hi Dabriel,
I’m not sure my life is the best subject for a school report, but I am happy to answer any questions you have. You can find out a few things about me on my Poetry Chaikhana page . If you want to know more, feel free to email me with your questions at ivan@poetry-chaikhana.com
Ivan

]]> By: Dabriel http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-7454 Dabriel Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:02:08 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-7454 Ivan, I am doing a class project on you can you give me some biographical information , so i can get an "A". Thank you so very much.! Ivan,
I am doing a class project on you can you give me some biographical information , so i can get an “A”. Thank you so very much.!

]]> By: Bliss http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-3033 Bliss Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:33:29 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-3033 Movies with poetry or those which evoke feelings of the sublime: The Fountain (very relevant for 2012, Xibalba, mayan calendar) beautiful music also and final incarnation of Hugh Jackman character is a Zen like yogi Apocalyto (imagery, storytelling, love, devotion, laughter) indigenous energy of Earth The New World, all Terrence Malick films ("there is only this love, all else is a lie) rebirth, catharsis, beautiful music, Mozart, Wagner Hero (beautiful soundtrack, calligraphy, philosophy, beauty, meditation) Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon Dreams, Kurosawa (colors, score, contrast, mythology) Whalerider (beautiful score, water, song, ceremony, innocence, hope) Romeo & Juliet Basketball Diaries Total Eclispe (bio of Arthur Rimbaud French prodigy) The Piano (stunning, beautiful dense writing, words, sound, feeling, color) water, earth energy, tribal Basquiat The Motorcycle Diaries Che Kundun The Hours Baraka (Sufi word for blessing, shots all over Earth, great opening, music, devotion, nature) Last of the Mohicans (end scene beautiful prayer sent into Universe, storytelling) Dances With Wolves (final scenes, Wind In His Hair calling out "can you not see that I am your friend/ can you not see that I will always be your friend") Kingdom of Heaven (what does the Holy Land mean? Everything/ nothing Kung Fu Panda (some koans) Touch of Zen Dead Man (black & white, Johnny Depp as William Blake in Americas West) Benny and Joon Legends of the Fall Cinema Paradiso Lion King (the baboon is a yogi) The Avatar (soon to be a movie) Tree of Life (coming soon) The Curious Case of Bejamin Button *Christmas Day (I was thinking how nothing lasts and what a shame that is/ some things do) without permanence how there be impermanence? emptiness without separation how could one be one? how could thou be another other than oneself? thou art that Ham Sa unself Big Self Heart Love Bliss gone aum Thank yu, shanti Movies with poetry or those which evoke feelings of the sublime:

The Fountain (very relevant for 2012, Xibalba, mayan calendar) beautiful music also and final incarnation of Hugh Jackman character is a Zen like yogi
Apocalyto (imagery, storytelling, love, devotion, laughter) indigenous energy of Earth
The New World, all Terrence Malick films (“there is only this love, all else is a lie) rebirth, catharsis, beautiful music, Mozart, Wagner
Hero (beautiful soundtrack, calligraphy, philosophy, beauty, meditation)
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Dreams, Kurosawa (colors, score, contrast, mythology)
Whalerider (beautiful score, water, song, ceremony, innocence, hope)
Romeo & Juliet
Basketball Diaries
Total Eclispe (bio of Arthur Rimbaud French prodigy)
The Piano (stunning, beautiful dense writing, words, sound, feeling, color) water, earth energy, tribal
Basquiat
The Motorcycle Diaries
Che
Kundun
The Hours
Baraka (Sufi word for blessing, shots all over Earth, great opening, music, devotion, nature)
Last of the Mohicans (end scene beautiful prayer sent into Universe, storytelling)
Dances With Wolves (final scenes, Wind In His Hair calling out “can you not see that I am your friend/ can you not see that I will always be your friend”)
Kingdom of Heaven (what does the Holy Land mean? Everything/ nothing
Kung Fu Panda (some koans)
Touch of Zen
Dead Man (black & white, Johnny Depp as William Blake in Americas West)
Benny and Joon
Legends of the Fall
Cinema Paradiso
Lion King (the baboon is a yogi)
The Avatar (soon to be a movie)
Tree of Life (coming soon)
The Curious Case of Bejamin Button *Christmas Day (I was thinking how nothing lasts and what a shame that is/ some things do)

without permanence how there be impermanence? emptiness
without separation how could one be one?
how could thou be another other than oneself?
thou art that Ham Sa
unself Big Self
Heart Love Bliss
gone aum

Thank yu, shanti

]]> By: Ivan M. Granger http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-563 Ivan M. Granger Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:43:11 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-563 Trisha, I do my best to hear those quiet thank yous anyway. :-) Ivan Trisha,

I do my best to hear those quiet thank yous anyway. :-)

Ivan

]]> By: Trisha http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-553 Trisha Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:34:08 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-553 Every time I finish reading the Poetry Chaikhana email I always say quietly, "Thank you, Ivan." But I know you don't hear that, so I just wanted to say it here, Thank you. Every time I finish reading the Poetry Chaikhana email I always say quietly, "Thank you, Ivan." But I know you don't hear that, so I just wanted to say it here, Thank you.

]]> By: Dee Bradshaw http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-219 Dee Bradshaw Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:12:32 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/03/23/ivans-journey-into-the-wild/#comment-219 Beautiful writing skill. Loved reading your story. You must write and write and write. Dee B Beautiful writing skill. Loved reading your story. You must write and write and write.

Dee B

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