Comments on: Sarmad - Every man who is aware of his secret http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/ Sacred Poetry from Around the World Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:26:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Subhan Ali http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-616 Subhan Ali Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:57:21 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-616 R/Sir, I heard the name of Sarmad when I was a child, but did not know about him that what type of poetry he wrote and when wrote. Today I have known about Sarmad. In India his name is still famous among the people having interest in spiritual viewpoints. God bless you respected Ivan. .........Subhan Ali R/Sir, I heard the name of Sarmad when I was a child, but did not know about him that what type of poetry he wrote and when wrote. Today I have known about Sarmad. In India his name is still famous among the people having interest in spiritual viewpoints. God bless you respected Ivan. ………Subhan Ali

]]> By: salam http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-575 salam Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:35:39 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-575 My Dear Ivan, What you said is right and what the gentleman you mentioned,wrote, is right as well. Your understanding of the matter is perfect,as its inner & outer both. Its all US & its all HIM.Depends, where you are at that moment of time. The duality/outer is as long as you have your ego or consciousness in between, other wise you can not keep the difference of i & HIM.Consciousness & ego makes you small and creates the need or want of a thing.Where, even if it is the smallest level of Ecstasy like poet.Takes you up,away from the body,may be for a small moment of time, you become.I,HIM or YOU.Sure than like SARMAD / MANSOOR are slain to death.OR UNITED. Mullahs of all religions, have been very dualistic/egoistic/conscious. My saying of ;What have you brought,I looked at myself,do i have any thing of my own.NOT, even the breath is His.So here do i prostrat, in my humbleness/gratitude. For YOU, being so kind, to let me have all this.I can only return what is yours,my breath; as its pure like you are. But,dear, as you may know. When the words start pouring,you hardly know. regards. salam My Dear Ivan,

What you said is right and what the gentleman you mentioned,wrote, is right as well.

Your understanding of the matter is perfect,as its inner & outer both.

Its all US & its all HIM.Depends, where you are at that moment of time.

The duality/outer is as long as you have your ego or consciousness in between, other wise you can not keep the difference of i & HIM.Consciousness & ego makes you small and creates the need or want of a thing.Where, even if it is the smallest level of Ecstasy like poet.Takes you up,away from the body,may be for a small moment of time, you become.I,HIM or YOU.Sure than like SARMAD / MANSOOR are slain to death.OR UNITED.
Mullahs of all religions, have been very dualistic/egoistic/conscious.

My saying of ;What have you brought,I looked at myself,do i have any thing of my own.NOT, even the breath is His.So here do i prostrat, in my humbleness/gratitude. For YOU, being so kind, to let me have all this.I can only return what is yours,my breath; as its pure like you are.
But,dear,
as you may know. When the words start pouring,you hardly know.

regards.

salam

]]> By: Ivan M. Granger http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-562 Ivan M. Granger Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:36:20 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-562 The inner and the outer journey-- I received an email from someone who correctly pointed out that the tradition of the Prophet Mohammed's journey to the heavens did not originate with the mullahs. It is originally described in the Quran itself. And many Muslims, particularly Sufis, have always understood the journey to be both external and internal. I didn't mean to suggest that Sarmad's assertion was unique or that he was the first to suggest that the Mi'raj can be understood internally.  I think he was trying to counter an overly literalist or external interpretation of the journey, but I am aware that many people have always understood the Mi'raj to be both an outer and an inner journey at the same time.  The reference to the mullahs as the source of the teaching was in Sarmad's verse.  I am sure he was aware that the original description of the Prophet Mohammed's journey is in the Quran, but I think he was trying to point out that the more limited understanding of the Mi'raj was through the imperfect teaching of some of the mullahs.  That's how I would understand Sarmad's words.  Does that make sense to you too, or do you feel there is something important that I am overlooking?  I always welcome other people's perspectives and interpretations... The inner and the outer journey–
I received an email from someone who correctly pointed out that the tradition of the Prophet Mohammed’s journey to the heavens did not originate with the mullahs. It is originally described in the Quran itself. And many Muslims, particularly Sufis, have always understood the journey to be both external and internal.
I didn’t mean to suggest that Sarmad’s assertion was unique or that he was the first to suggest that the Mi’raj can be understood internally.  I think he was trying to counter an overly literalist or external interpretation of the journey, but I am aware that many people have always understood the Mi’raj to be both an outer and an inner journey at the same time.  The reference to the mullahs as the source of the teaching was in Sarmad’s verse.  I am sure he was aware that the original description of the Prophet Mohammed’s journey is in the Quran, but I think he was trying to point out that the more limited understanding of the Mi’raj was through the imperfect teaching of some of the mullahs.  That’s how I would understand Sarmad’s words.  Does that make sense to you too, or do you feel there is something important that I am overlooking?  I always welcome other people’s perspectives and interpretations…

]]> By: Ivan M. Granger http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-561 Ivan M. Granger Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:35:51 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-561 Dear Salam, He asked me what have I brought. He took my breath. Ivan Dear Salam,
He asked me what have I brought.
He took my breath.
Ivan

]]> By: Ivan M. Granger http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-560 Ivan M. Granger Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:35:36 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-560 Xander, I know that feeling of being scattered about. I support my family by working as a part-time computer programmer, and I spend much of my day juggling different projects on the computer. By the end of the day, it can feel like I'm 15 different people. Those daily poems and music can restore us to a unified sanity. :-) Ivan Xander,
I know that feeling of being scattered about. I support my family by working as a part-time computer programmer, and I spend much of my day juggling different projects on the computer. By the end of the day, it can feel like I’m 15 different people. Those daily poems and music can restore us to a unified sanity. :-)
Ivan

]]> By: jm http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-559 jm Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:09:10 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-559 Amin. [/quote = Ivan] It is a pathway with precisely one step: a courageous step into the living present. Inexplicably, the whole world follows. [/unquote] Yes, bottoms up within. From the bottom up without. Looking back at the Silk Road, the many tracks that wander in the desert were made by the same two feet. Now see the sands of time between the steps dissolve, each footprint a mirage. Another humble Soul takes a seat in the Teahouse. ~jm Amin.

[/quote = Ivan]
It is a pathway with precisely one step: a courageous step into the living present. Inexplicably, the whole world follows.
[/unquote]

Yes, bottoms up within.
From the bottom up without.
Looking back at the Silk Road,
the many tracks that wander in the desert were made by the same two feet.
Now see the sands of time between the steps dissolve,
each footprint a mirage.
Another humble Soul takes a seat
in the Teahouse.

~jm

]]> By: salam http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-555 salam Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:04:05 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-555 dear Ivan, He asked me what have I brought, I,looked at myself,bowed,prostrated what have i of my own and breath the last. salam. dear Ivan,
He asked me what have I brought,
I,looked at myself,bowed,prostrated
what have i of my own
and breath the last.
salam.

]]> By: xander http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-552 xander Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:37:42 +0000 http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/06/27/sarmad-every-man-who-is-aware-of-his-secret/#comment-552 beautiful commentaries and poetry here. :) thanks ivan for being so kind to share them with us. i always love reading poetry chaikhana's daily poems, especially after all day being scattered around the web and campus here in Magdeburg, Germany. yes, i definitely need something to put me together and the daily poems are a wonderful remedy for this. thank you and keep up sending positive energy throughout the universe with daily poems, music and commentaries. sending you my best, xander beautiful commentaries and poetry here. :) thanks ivan for being so kind to share them with us.
i always love reading poetry chaikhana’s daily poems, especially after all day being scattered around the web and campus here in Magdeburg, Germany. yes, i definitely need something to put me together and the daily poems are a wonderful remedy for this.

thank you and keep up sending positive energy throughout the universe with daily poems, music and commentaries.

sending you my best,
xander

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